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PostSubject: Body Replacement Technique   3/22/2014, 12:07 pm

Mouse would like to point out the fallacy in this technique, in that it is not FTG. It is a E/D rank. Mouse suggests that this technique be clarified to avoid FTG type abuse in the future. Assuming FTG is banned here.

Such a clarification would be like so

Replacement is not a FTG type attack. It is a transformation type technique applied before hand on an object to mislead an opponent. It does not switch your position with a random log behind people.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/22/2014, 12:23 pm

Broscience, meet wiki.

"With this technique, users replace their own body with some other object, generally with a block of wood, the moment an attack lands. This creates an optical illusion, making the enemy think the attack was successful. From this, the user can use the lapse in the enemy's attention to attack or flee from the battlefield. Explosive tags can be attached to the replacement for an added surprise. It's a basic ninjutsu even taught at the Academy, but it's a useful art that can be applied in variety of situations. "

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/22/2014, 12:29 pm

Mouse would also like to point out its an E rank jutsu - with the power to be abused like FTG. As it stands, there is no description of how fast it works. Mouse wants to point out the fallacy of this technique... if it is so great, why is it not used that much in higher level ninja battles? Mouse notes that the most recent uses of this technique are naruto replacing himself with a clone in the confusion of battle. This is Mouse's Concern.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/22/2014, 12:33 pm

FTG is closer to teleporting .___.
you could be in a Kumo thread and then instantly jump to a Kiri thread while also stopping by at Konoha was some ramen....

It's substitution Jutsu right? Yeah, that's close distance and not quiet the flashy flash flash...flash... stop saying flash >__> flash

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/22/2014, 12:46 pm


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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/22/2014, 1:10 pm

Mouse isn't arguing the wiki or the technique - Mouse just wants the clarification that this technique isn't an auto avoid, like FTG style. Replacment jutsu is a preplanned set up.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/22/2014, 1:13 pm

Obviously not since it needs hand signs.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/22/2014, 2:42 pm

It's misdirection. Please read wiki more closely. It's obviously not teleportation.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 10:30 am

basically it is a subtle illusion/transformation that disguises your pulling out the prepared log and then high-tailing it out of there.

To use it you OBVIOUSLY need to be able to get out of the attack on your own somehow.

BUT! seeing how this technique was intended as nothing more than a gag-ability from the start of the series, I dunno, let's go with transformation + dodge + some other bullshit that you still need to dodge the attack in order to do so?

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 10:44 am

It was always understood or at least a general rule of thumb on most rp sites that Body replacement was a shunshin style(high speed/maybe tier one) technique replacement. The prereqs were usually the replacement item had to be preset and generally around the users size. There also had to be some type of lap in the oppositions attention span prior to the replacement such as a distraction, smoke screen, etc etc. I've dealt with this a few times so just giving my two cents.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 11:00 am

Yoshitsune - Minoru wrote:
basically it is a subtle illusion/transformation that disguises your pulling out the prepared log and then high-tailing it out of there.

To use it you OBVIOUSLY need to be able to get out of the attack on your own somehow.
Just throwing this out there, there was no way in hell Sasuke could've avoided getting blown up without literally warping his position with that of another object (in this case, a log). Just watch from 4:00 into the video and you'll see where i'm coming from
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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 11:11 am

I got a better example.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 11:16 am

1. Lapse in attention span
2. Shunshin speed would have sufficed
3. Log about his/her size

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 11:25 am

frm what I see, we allow the replacement with anything we pre-set, doesn't have to be our size.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 11:45 am

I'm just saying the general rule of thumb. If you look at any of the manga/Anime it is usually the same size item so the optical illusion is a bit more real. Hard to convince someone a Kunai is a human sized person. They tell you exactly how the jutsu works during the original "Bell Test" Kakashi has with his team I'm just too lazy to look for it. If I am wrong let me know but I have never seen a switch with something smaller than the actual person.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 11:58 am

The technique doesn't specify the object has to be the same size.

The use of the log was simply:

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With this technique, users replace their own body with some other object, generally with a block of wood, the moment an attack lands

a general use, nothing more

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 12:04 pm

Again....I'm not saying it is right or wrong. I'm stating what is the norm based on canon observation. What you guys decide to do here is whatever. But if someone switches with something smaller than themselves IC it is an optical Illusion failure to the highest degree and I'm going to call them on it.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 1:21 pm

You do realize people have switched themselves with a dead rabbit before, right? I believe Zabusa did it. The size of the object shouldn't be that much of a big deal really. But what people need to make sure of, is that it was prepared before hand. The Jutsu is simple, but quite complex. Its all about misleading the opponent. Heck, remember Akamaru's exploding puppet trick? That is simply a Kawarimi Jutsu. The object(s) this time round being Kunai blades laced with exploding tags.

But to make it clear. Its not FTG or anywhere near it. Its not even Shunshin speed if you really think about it. But it may seem like it, especially if the person using it is well prepared.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 1:52 pm

http://tune.pk/video/281501/Naruto-Sasuke-amp-Sakura-VS-Kakashi-Bell-Test-Full-Fight

I think it explains around 11:14

The reason that it is the norm to use human sized objects is because on the battlefield where there all kind of objects being thrown around(I.e. Shurikan, Kunai etc) you can potentially sub all day. Any of the items thrown out throughout the course of the topic could be considered pre-set. But no I don't remember a dead rabbit....

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 2:18 pm

Are you speaking in context of what you think should be the norm on the site? Or are you making a canon observation? And Lol. This is the first time I've seen the Body Replacement technique getting so much attention on a site. Also, I do believe there is a rule that states all Ninjutsu requires hand seals. The Kawarimi uses up to 4 hand seals I believe. A truly observant fighter, should be able to tell what is about to happen, should someone try to "sub all day".

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 2:57 pm

The logs have never been anywhere near the size of the ppl who used them unless you count the genin using it..

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 4:00 pm

It's an observation....I keep telling peeps that lol. It's what a lot of sites I have been on have used. 2Sock every video that has been shown the logs/clones have been human sized, even the tentacle B used if I remember correctly was huge. Once again though, it was a suggestion based on an observation....not a confirmation on canon law.....Hand signs are cool, so is being observant...but you get someone with Mastered or Mastered+(can whip out handsigns quickly) who can create a little distance between them and their opponent and for basically 0 chakra they can warp around the field if there are enough projectiles. Virtually a get out of Jail free card for any ranged attack or one that requires and opponent to close the distance.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 5:00 pm

Amatsu, you don't need to keep defending your point, we get that its just a canon observation xD
But in terms of keep replacing out of everything. Just slap a 3 replacements per topic and that's sorted, one of the site's iterations had a 1 per fight usage I'm sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/27/2014, 11:24 pm

Elixar Takoyaiba wrote:
Amatsu, you don't need to keep defending your point, we get that its just a canon observation xD
But in terms of keep replacing out of everything. Just slap a 3 replacements per topic and that's sorted, one of the site's iterations had a 1 per fight usage I'm sure.

This. Old TNRPG actually had it to one per topic, because of the possibility of its abuse. And there was abuse... lots of it, haha. But yeah, three per topic seems reasonable. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Body Replacement Technique   3/28/2014, 5:36 am

This really a topic? I agree with Elixar. Just slap a limit on it and we can go back to our fascinating lives.

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